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Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby ds4502 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:15 am

I was thinking of starting up a Khorne based Warriors of Chaos list and was wondering if anyone had any ideas or pointers for army organization or anything along those lines.
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby SkavenInAZ » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:12 am

Khorne's a nice way to go -- extra attacks, etc... but is easily positioned out of the way by chaff, etc..

So for any Khorne type list, you'll want to definitely invest in some things to redirect or kill redirectors -- and since you're frenzied, you dont' have to worry about panic when they die. Translation -- invest in a few sets of Chaos Warhounds.

Second, a stample in the arsenal of most Khorne players is the horde (or more) of Marauders with Great Weapons. I've seen these run in bricks of 60 or more -- impossible to kill, dish out a ton of attacks at high strength.

Third -- Warshrines -- buff your might bloodcrazied lunatics with some fun bonuses to make them killier. Always a goodtime.

Fill up the rest with stock Warriors with Extra Hand Weapons or Halbreds and go scream BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby Lightningman » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:26 pm

Do everything Hines says. he knows.
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Postby honorandglory » Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:12 pm

Marauders are poop. Go for warriors,knights, and skullcrushers. Give all your warriors halberds. And use a lord and a couple exalted on juggers. Maybe mx in a shrine if you have points left. That's how you build a Chaos army.
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby ds4502 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:12 am

Here is what I was thinking about for a 2500 pt list, let me know what you think. The (#) is the number of models in the unit.

Lord
405
Daemon Prince, Mark of Khorne, Fury of the Blood God, Mantle of Chaos

Hero
210
Chaos Sorceror, Lvl 2, Mark of Nurgle, Spell Familiar, Favour of the Gods, Blood of Tzeentch, Conjoined Homunculus

Core
338
Chaos Marauders (48), Mark of Khorne, Great Weapon or Flail, Light Armor, Musician, Standard Bearer, Marauder Cheiftan
594
Chaos Warriors (34), Mark of Khorne, Shields, Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion, Rapturous Standard

Special
335
Chosen (10), Mark of Khorne, Shields, Musician, Chosen Champion (Whip of Subversion), Chosen Standard Bearer, Blasted Standard
230
Chaos Ogre (3), Mark of Khorne, Chaos Armor, Great Weapons, Musician, Standard Bearer, Mutant Ogre

Rare
130
Chaos Spawn (2), Mark of Khorne
255
Chaos Giant, Mark of Khorne


Thinking of swapping the Chaos Ogre point sinks into either more chosen or a forsaken unit.
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby ds4502 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:35 am

Also, what would your opinion be on having a horde formation of Forsaken?
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby honorandglory » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:33 am

First, Deamon Princes are just plain bad for their cost. A Juggy Lord is much better for the cost.

Second if you are planning the lvl2 for the chosen with the favor, just put it on the champ so you can use it at the start of game roll as well.

Third, marauder just don't work well in our army. It is like bringing a little hammerwhen you already have a BIG hammer to work with.

Fourth, Warriors work better in smaller blocks, I hav found between 12,18,or24 works best the law of diminishing returns and all that

Fifth, Chosen should be min 12 . That maximises your attacks across a 5 man 20mill. And the champ should have the favor, whole unit should also have halberds.

Sixth, Dragon ogers are only marginally good, they d not kill enough to be a threat to big units, and die kinda die easy.

Seventh, Giants are way to easy to kill for their cost, and really don't bring anything special to the army

About forsaken, they cost the same as a chosen, and suck worse than marauders.
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby SkavenInAZ » Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:56 am

Clearly Jon is in his Grinch mode today.

1. Marauders are just fine -- as long as you don't get them flanked, you'll put a lot of hurt on most units. But to help you avoid getting flanked, you need those redirectors -- you CAN use the Spawn for that, but with Random movement, they're just a bit too random IMO to make SURE they're in the right spot.

2. Demon Princes are very hard to use. For 500 something points, you're going to want to slam him into combat -- and he just doesn't hold up well. Try it out and see if you like it, but I think your points will be better served in a Warlord or Sorceror Lord for the LD and magic support. A Lord on Juggernought as Jon says is a great tool as well, if outfitted and used correctly. Plus, he's hard as hell to kill -- unlike the DP.

3. You sound like a newish player -- you probably want a Level 4 to help getting magic'd to death. Even Khorne knows the wisdom in not dying to a bunch of fireballs, trust me.

4. Chaos really specializes in lots of hard to kill, hard hitting units. You have some of those, and you have some of the monsterish type stuff as well. Both can work -- but I'd encourage you to try your lists out before buying them. Cannonballs have a way of making people not want to take some of the monster units, etc.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby honorandglory » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:29 pm

Not Grinch mode just experience. Marauders have crap for a save crap for LD, crap for Str ,and to get min effective str they strike last. Same points value in warriors hits harder,faster,more accurately,better armour and Ld. The unit champ is almost as good as some armies hero models. Do the math between the two, the marauders just don't stack up. You know I tried them and if I can't get them to work,they don't work. The only thing they have going for them is they are cheap. But that does not really help if you need to buy an ass load to make them work, may as well just get warriors and be done with it.
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Re: Anyone have any suggestions for a list?

Postby ds4502 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:12 am

Here are some further alterations to the list.

Lord
413
Chaos Lord, Hand Weapon, Mark of Khorne, Necrotic Phylactery, Father of Blades, Armor of Damnation, Soporific Musk, Acid Ichor, Juggernaut of Khorne

Hero
210
Chaos Sorceror, Lvl 2, Mark of Nurgle, Spell Familiar, Favour of the Gods, Blood of Tzeentch, Conjoined Homunculus
250
Exalted Hero, Mark of Khorne, bloodcurdling roar, Chaos Runesword, Shield, Juggernaut of Khorne

Core
338
Chaos Marauders (43), Mark of Khorne, Shields, Light Armor, Musician, Standard Bearer, Marauder Cheiftan
434
Chaos Warriors (24), Mark of Khorne, Shields, Musician, Standard Bearer, Champion, Rapturous Standard

Special
525
Chosen (20), Mark of Khorne, Shields, Musician, Chosen Champion (Whip of Subversion), Chosen Standard Bearer, Blasted Standard

Rare
150
Chaos Warshrine, Mark of Nurgle
205
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